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	<description>&#34;Endearingly belligerent&#34; – another blogger</description>
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		<title>By: vinny warren</title>
		<link>http://www.ben-kay.com/2012/05/facebookonline-ads/#comment-16178</link>
		<dc:creator>vinny warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 02:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the internet doesn&#039;t need advertising money to exist.  advertising doesn&#039;t own it.  it&#039;s not a medium in the traditional sense.  it&#039;s much more important than that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the internet doesn&#8217;t need advertising money to exist.  advertising doesn&#8217;t own it.  it&#8217;s not a medium in the traditional sense.  it&#8217;s much more important than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lara</title>
		<link>http://www.ben-kay.com/2012/05/facebookonline-ads/#comment-15933</link>
		<dc:creator>Lara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 04:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Saw this and thought of your post - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE0KLVdFwYk]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw this and thought of your post &#8211; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE0KLVdFwYk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE0KLVdFwYk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wazoo</title>
		<link>http://www.ben-kay.com/2012/05/facebookonline-ads/#comment-15931</link>
		<dc:creator>Wazoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 21:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just reading facebook and i accidentally clicked a shitty link and it took me here??? Black magic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just reading facebook and i accidentally clicked a shitty link and it took me here??? Black magic.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Gash</title>
		<link>http://www.ben-kay.com/2012/05/facebookonline-ads/#comment-15927</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Gash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 16:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Be prepared to be called to court as part of the class action Ben:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18180861]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be prepared to be called to court as part of the class action Ben:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18180861" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18180861</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mister Gash</title>
		<link>http://www.ben-kay.com/2012/05/facebookonline-ads/#comment-15926</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Gash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 14:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@SOG

Indeed.  And the more the market pores over the FB prospectus - and recognises that the figures only add up &#039;assuming there is no change in the market over time&#039; - the more the share price rocks.

The numbers are beguiling though.  70% of the world&#039;s population (outside China) has a FB account.  And they are giving the space away.  You can see why brands are tempted.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SOG</p>
<p>Indeed.  And the more the market pores over the FB prospectus &#8211; and recognises that the figures only add up &#8216;assuming there is no change in the market over time&#8217; &#8211; the more the share price rocks.</p>
<p>The numbers are beguiling though.  70% of the world&#8217;s population (outside China) has a FB account.  And they are giving the space away.  You can see why brands are tempted&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Some Old Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.ben-kay.com/2012/05/facebookonline-ads/#comment-15925</link>
		<dc:creator>Some Old Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 14:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@4

The difference is though, that we have kind of bought the unspoken deal in print and commercial TV that great content is paid for by the advertising that intersperses it.

Whereas the internet, especially sites like facebook and twitter, is inherently based upon free for all content and use. Ads become much more of an irritant in that context. That may be unfair, but unless you&#039;re going to go around and explain things to every person in the civilised world, it&#039;s just tough titty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@4</p>
<p>The difference is though, that we have kind of bought the unspoken deal in print and commercial TV that great content is paid for by the advertising that intersperses it.</p>
<p>Whereas the internet, especially sites like facebook and twitter, is inherently based upon free for all content and use. Ads become much more of an irritant in that context. That may be unfair, but unless you&#8217;re going to go around and explain things to every person in the civilised world, it&#8217;s just tough titty.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.ben-kay.com/2012/05/facebookonline-ads/#comment-15924</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 13:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is this not the way 99% of advertising inevitably ends up working though? i.e interrupting.
Who watches TV, reads a magazine or walks sown the high street to see the an ad? You always have the option to change the channel or turn the page, much like you have the option to click off the video.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this not the way 99% of advertising inevitably ends up working though? i.e interrupting.<br />
Who watches TV, reads a magazine or walks sown the high street to see the an ad? You always have the option to change the channel or turn the page, much like you have the option to click off the video.</p>
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		<title>By: Some Old Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.ben-kay.com/2012/05/facebookonline-ads/#comment-15923</link>
		<dc:creator>Some Old Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 12:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All media is bought and sold as a commodity. It&#039;s price is set by how much the market values it. This is why A/V ads (like TV and Pre rolls) are comparatively costly, because they are the most valuable and powerful media spaces. Online ads, including facebook ads, are cheap because they&#039;re about as useful as a chocolate sock. Facebook dropping the price even further is just tacit admittance that those spaces are pretty much crap.

The saddest thing about all of this is that the great and holy Zuckerdude, chief lord of the geeks, cannot find a better way of making money out of his divine creation than flogging spaces to marketers. So much for a revolution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All media is bought and sold as a commodity. It&#8217;s price is set by how much the market values it. This is why A/V ads (like TV and Pre rolls) are comparatively costly, because they are the most valuable and powerful media spaces. Online ads, including facebook ads, are cheap because they&#8217;re about as useful as a chocolate sock. Facebook dropping the price even further is just tacit admittance that those spaces are pretty much crap.</p>
<p>The saddest thing about all of this is that the great and holy Zuckerdude, chief lord of the geeks, cannot find a better way of making money out of his divine creation than flogging spaces to marketers. So much for a revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Gash</title>
		<link>http://www.ben-kay.com/2012/05/facebookonline-ads/#comment-15922</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Gash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 10:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting.

FB shares fell another 8% yesterday.  And there&#039;s a class action coming because the NASDAQ systems went down in the first crucial hours of trading.  Fun and games.  Here&#039;s a good article detailing Morgan Stanley&#039;s bullish approach towards the IPO:

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/as-facebooks-stock-struggles-fingers-start-pointing/?src=tp

But here&#039;s the kicker.  You&#039;re buying media space.  Currently the &#039;cost per thousand&#039; ladder looks a bit like this:

Top of the heap:

Targeted pre-roll ads = circa £20 per &#039;000 

An &#039;average&#039; tv campaign:

TV spots = circa £6 per &#039;000

Bottom rung of the ladder:

Display ads online (banners etc) = £2 per &#039;000

So if you&#039;ve got an online business model that is dependent on banners / skyscrapers etc you can expect to charge - and get - £2 per &#039;000.

Buried in FB&#039;s prospectus is the fact that they have an eye-wateringly colossal ad inventory.  And if you do the sums they are looking to put this huge inventory into the market at 28cents per &#039;000.  

The base price is £2.  FB are going to lower that to 18p.

Flooding the online market with such a mammoth volume of cheap ad space is going to have an extraordinary ripple effect.  

If Ben is right - and FB users don&#039;t look at ads, then it looks as if they are going to be served up a whole lot more ads to not look at - simply because the space will be so cheap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.</p>
<p>FB shares fell another 8% yesterday.  And there&#8217;s a class action coming because the NASDAQ systems went down in the first crucial hours of trading.  Fun and games.  Here&#8217;s a good article detailing Morgan Stanley&#8217;s bullish approach towards the IPO:</p>
<p><a href="http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/as-facebooks-stock-struggles-fingers-start-pointing/?src=tp" rel="nofollow">http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/as-facebooks-stock-struggles-fingers-start-pointing/?src=tp</a></p>
<p>But here&#8217;s the kicker.  You&#8217;re buying media space.  Currently the &#8216;cost per thousand&#8217; ladder looks a bit like this:</p>
<p>Top of the heap:</p>
<p>Targeted pre-roll ads = circa £20 per &#8217;000 </p>
<p>An &#8216;average&#8217; tv campaign:</p>
<p>TV spots = circa £6 per &#8217;000</p>
<p>Bottom rung of the ladder:</p>
<p>Display ads online (banners etc) = £2 per &#8217;000</p>
<p>So if you&#8217;ve got an online business model that is dependent on banners / skyscrapers etc you can expect to charge &#8211; and get &#8211; £2 per &#8217;000.</p>
<p>Buried in FB&#8217;s prospectus is the fact that they have an eye-wateringly colossal ad inventory.  And if you do the sums they are looking to put this huge inventory into the market at 28cents per &#8217;000.  </p>
<p>The base price is £2.  FB are going to lower that to 18p.</p>
<p>Flooding the online market with such a mammoth volume of cheap ad space is going to have an extraordinary ripple effect.  </p>
<p>If Ben is right &#8211; and FB users don&#8217;t look at ads, then it looks as if they are going to be served up a whole lot more ads to not look at &#8211; simply because the space will be so cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: AC</title>
		<link>http://www.ben-kay.com/2012/05/facebookonline-ads/#comment-15920</link>
		<dc:creator>AC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 09:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do internet ads disrupt in the worst way without offering us anything back?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do internet ads disrupt in the worst way without offering us anything back?</p>
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